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Obama v. McCain: Third and Final Debate Liveblog

by: Dean Barker

Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 20:54:44 PM EDT
One last time into the breach. End it, Barack.

Livestream available here.
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Obama v. McCain: Third and Final Debate Liveblog | 155 comments
into the breach n/t (4.00 / 1)


Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible.
~Frank Zappa
Fine. I wanted to avoid the cliche, (0.00 / 0)
but you've convinced me it sounds better.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
[ Parent ]
manhoods cheap (4.00 / 2)
   

   We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
   For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
   Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
   This day shall gentle his condition:
   And gentlemen in England now a-bed
   Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
   And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
   That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day"


Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible.
~Frank Zappa
[ Parent ]
I don't buy the analysts (0.00 / 0)
My take: McCain is looking past the debate to a very dirty final couple of weeks. Tonight will be to divert attention from what is about to start.
I expect charm (0.00 / 0)
Or an attempt thereat. An "I still got it" type of thing.
"Fannie and Freddie Mae" (4.00 / 2)
Last debate he said we've probably never heard of them. Now he gets their names wrong.
hi from debate watch at UNH (0.00 / 0)
hey there BH: i'm in the MUB at UNH with 300 students, Andy Smith, Dante Scala, Brian Lawson, Steve Marchand and others.  I'll let you know how things go from here.

Paula


Paula M. DiNardo

Dover NH


Schieffer says get off talking points... (0.00 / 0)
...and so we go right to the talking points. Feeling sleepy again...

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Say it ain't so, Joe. (0.00 / 0)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Stop the manic blinking! (0.00 / 0)


Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
My grandmother always said (0.00 / 0)
if you're blinkin' when you're talkin', then you're lyin'.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
[ Parent ]
The consensus here is that... (0.00 / 0)
...his blinking is morse code to someone in the audience.

Mayday!

[ Parent ]
McCain's looking at him, anyway (0.00 / 0)
Am I offbase in thinking that McCain repeatedly saying "Joe the plumber" seems patronizing?
ha (0.00 / 0)
the crowd here is laughing every time he says Joe The Plumber.

If i were home and not with students, i'd say drink every time he says it!


Paula M. DiNardo

Dover NH


[ Parent ]
He says, "Joe the plumber" one more time (0.00 / 0)
and I'm going to barf.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Can we Plumb It - YES WE CAN! (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
McCain's Joe the Plumber intrusion (4.00 / 1)
into Obama's Warren Buffett comment looked really bad.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
Don't smirk at the moderator, John. (0.00 / 0)
That's just bad form.
Not a smirk (0.00 / 0)
He just passed some gas.

Beachcombings Jewelry
[ Parent ]
First a hatchet, then a scalpel! (0.00 / 0)
Oh, that was bad.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
First hatchet, then scalpel? (4.00 / 1)
hand me the forceps.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
First a hatchet - then a scalpel ! (4.00 / 1)
Let's go for the GENERAL anesthesia, Doctor.
He knows where bin Laden is... (4.00 / 2)
...and he knows where to find billions of dollars.  What's he been doing while he's been in Washington?  Do share!
McCain's getting testy. (4.00 / 3)
I'm not Bush.  I just support all of his policies!

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
Gotta admit that was a direct hit on Barack. (0.00 / 0)
Cheap, but direct. Let's see if he says it again.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Good line from McCain (4.00 / 1)
"If you wanted to run against George Bush, you should have run 4 years ago."
Crowd is getting reactive (Fox News ref) (0.00 / 0)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Ka-Boom! Obama gets a dig in on Fox! (0.00 / 0)


Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
If I mistake your policies for George Bush's policies.... (4.00 / 1)
nicely played Obama.

Beachcombings Jewelry
Sprinting away from Bush (0.00 / 0)
while hugging him?

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
I got the scars to prove it. (0.00 / 0)
-Nilya

We are the giant. Let's work hard for Obama, Lynch, Shaheen, Hodes, Shea-Porter and all Dems.
No Regrets.  
Glass houses, McCain (0.00 / 0)
Your arguments are much less convincing
Tough one from Deputy Dawg! Wow! (0.00 / 0)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
If only Obama had come to my birthday party, (4.00 / 3)
I wouldn't be kicking him in the groin every day.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
Did John just bring up assassination? (4.00 / 1)


Beachcombings Jewelry
So prove it! (0.00 / 0)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Will you repeat your campaign's charges here? (4.00 / 1)
JSM: Let me whine about Obama's campaign instead.
Assassination and WATERGATE in the same paragraph??? (0.00 / 0)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Would someone tell McCain (4.00 / 5)
that nobody likes a loser?

His "I'm so hurt" routine is really pathetic.

And good for BO to bring up that no one cares about their hurt feelings.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

This was where McCain was supposed to (4.00 / 1)
say "Obama DOES hang with terrorists!" And the coward didn't do it.
I couldn't believe it when Bob (0.00 / 0)
gave him the opening that I'd been hearing McCain was going to jump on all day, and he didn't take it.

Waking up on November 5th with no regrets.
[ Parent ]
John McCain (0.00 / 0)
Studies his rival candidate's advertisements while watching football?
-Nilya

We are the giant. Let's work hard for Obama, Lynch, Shaheen, Hodes, Shea-Porter and all Dems.
No Regrets.  
Joe the plumber again! (0.00 / 0)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Joe again (0.00 / 0)
big groan from the crowd



Paula M. DiNardo

Dover NH


[ Parent ]
Joe the plumber (4.00 / 1)
Gotta break out another 6 pak

Beachcombings Jewelry
Liquid Plumber for me ! n/t (0.00 / 0)


Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible.
~Frank Zappa
[ Parent ]
McCain looked TERRIBLE (4.00 / 2)
interrupting Obama while he was talking about the death threats against him from Palin raliies.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
Barack says it first, "terrorist" (0.00 / 0)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
When you object to people shouting Kill Him! (4.00 / 1)
you are insulting veterans!
McCain is using the Vets again, (4.00 / 1)
Are you on the ceiling yet, Jack?

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
McCain is losing it. (4.00 / 3)
He's close to a meltdown.

And he's praising his rallies.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

Oh yes, McCain, (4.00 / 1)
You've repudiated everything.  Someone says they don't trust Obama b/c he's an Arab?  No, no, he's a family man.

Yes.  You always repudiate attacks.

ACORN smears (0.00 / 0)

Centerpiece Ayers! I love it. (4.00 / 1)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Like watching battleship (4.00 / 2)
Obama scores direct hits left and right.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Obama just hit that out of the park (4.00 / 2)
McCain's response is just sad, and flailing.

I hope he reaps the disapproval from middle America that he richly deserves.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

Yeah, but Biden (4.00 / 1)
can't see Russia from Delaware.

Beachcombings Jewelry
And that (4.00 / 1)
is the gaping hole in his experience.  Very sad.
[ Parent ]
Speaking of gaping holes (0.00 / 0)
McCain is speaking again.

Beachcombings Jewelry
[ Parent ]
Role model to Barbie, maybe. (0.00 / 0)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Ignited every nut job in the country for sure! (0.00 / 0)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
United Iraq? Huh? (0.00 / 0)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Biden's prescription for Iraq (4.00 / 3)
was so much less credible than Palin's...
'cause he's not mavericky enough n/t (0.00 / 0)


Beachcombings Jewelry
[ Parent ]
Why do we have to spend more? Why? (4.00 / 2)
Can't we just have Sarah Palin understand the autism away?

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
As one with two Autistic Children (0.00 / 0)
Palin has no clue about Autism.

McShame Neither.

"I'm not smart enough to run the economy."

- John McCain (r) Arizona

[ Parent ]
Because Down's Syndrome (0.00 / 0)
is just like Autism.  Right?  And having a 4 month old with Down's Syndrome gives her years of experience fighting for children with Special Needs, "like autism," sorry if I miss the logic there?  Or does one of her children have autism or ADD/ADHD or Asperger's or some other developmental delay that I was heretofore not made aware of (on late night TV)???

Waking up on November 5th with no regrets.
[ Parent ]
And the lucky number is, John?(-N.) (0.00 / 0)


We are the giant. Let's work hard for Obama, Lynch, Shaheen, Hodes, Shea-Porter and all Dems.
No Regrets.  
Powering a hundred-person sub (0.00 / 0)
PROVES we can power a city  of 5 million with nukes!
At least he didn't crash them like the three planes. n/t (0.00 / 0)


Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
[ Parent ]
Stepping out for a minute - (4.00 / 1)
Goota make sure I only have Canadian gasoline in the car.
I wouldn't bring up travel if I were you, McCain (0.00 / 0)

Can anyone understand what John is talking about? (4.00 / 1)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
He's increasingly incoherent. (4.00 / 1)
Jumping from topic to topic, and doing it to try to attack.

I think he looks worse here than at the previous debates.

Much worse.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

[ Parent ]
Yeah. Something about (4.00 / 1)
John Ayers the plumber I think

Beachcombings Jewelry
[ Parent ]
No brainer? (4.00 / 1)
I thought we had moved on from the VP question

Beachcombings Jewelry
Unrepetant friend of free trader John McCain (0.00 / 0)
wants to make sure you get free job training when his trade agreement costs you your job.

And does he really want to bring up where the nominees have travelled?

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

So far it looks to me. (0.00 / 0)
That McCain is chasing Rainbows and Barack found the pot o' gold first.

"I'm not smart enough to run the economy."

- John McCain (r) Arizona

[ Parent ]
A word from the Canadian peanut gallery: (4.00 / 1)
'I'm voting for Obama.  He's got a neck.'
Cnn ticker (4.00 / 1)
I am going to miss the CNN ticker of how undecided voters feel.  It has consistently shows Obama doing better.  McCain's attempt to attack Obama on Ayers and ACORN basically flatlined.  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
Joe again? (0.00 / 0)


Beachcombings Jewelry
He's very popular (4.00 / 2)
There probably are cameras surrounding his house now.  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
[ Parent ]
Joe the Plumber's back (4.00 / 2)
McCain looks old and confused.
stop (0.00 / 0)
he needs to quit the fidgeting.  sit still john, and stop smirking



Paula M. DiNardo

Dover NH


[ Parent ]
"here's your fine...zero. " (4.00 / 1)
MCCAIN'S DEER IN HEADLIGHTS MOMENT

"Zero?"

Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible.
~Frank Zappa

[ Parent ]
The look of dumbfounded horror on McCain's face... (4.00 / 1)
...will remain with me forever.
Get therapy (0.00 / 0)
No one should have to carry that around with them.

Beachcombings Jewelry
[ Parent ]
Game. Set. Match. (0.00 / 0)
In that one moment.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
[ Parent ]
McBlinky! (4.00 / 1)

MEGA-PWNED!!!!!! (4.00 / 4)
Barack tells Joe the Plumber that his small business gets an exemption.

Talking to Joe directly about his health care tax credit.

PPPPPPWWWWWWNNNNEEEEDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And then goes in for the kill on McCain's tax on health care.

A+.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

Joe's rich (0.00 / 0)
He must be making $5,000,000/year.

Beachcombings Jewelry
I hope Joe has a booking agent (0.00 / 0)

They forgot to mention (0.00 / 0)
Joe the Plumber probably has no health insurance.


"I'm not smart enough to run the economy."

- John McCain (r) Arizona

[ Parent ]
Joe's Rich! (0.00 / 0)
Boy, the CNN ticker is really flatlining for McCain now.  When he criticizes "spreading the wealth", people don't like it at all.  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
Gold-plated cadillac plans (0.00 / 0)
for transplants?

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
Hair transplants, penile transplants, breast transplants... n/t (0.00 / 0)


Waking up on November 5th with no regrets.
[ Parent ]
Transplants? Like kidney transplants? (0.00 / 0)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
No (4.00 / 1)
Massholes

Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible.
~Frank Zappa
[ Parent ]
"Senator Government" eom (0.00 / 0)


Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
Obama is winning this one big, imho. (4.00 / 2)
This feels a lot different than the first two.

It's also a better debate.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

You think so? (0.00 / 0)
I just realized this baby is going for another half hour and wanted to cry.  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
[ Parent ]
JSM: "No litmus test" (0.00 / 0)
But his models for a nominee are Scalia and Thomas.
and... (0.00 / 0)
if they support Roe, then they probably aren't qualified. Litmus Test!

Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
[ Parent ]
Obama voted against Justice Pryor? (0.00 / 0)
Huh?

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
Breyer (4.00 / 2)
But the confused old man meant Alito
[ Parent ]
no, he was thinking of ice cream. (4.00 / 3)


Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
[ Parent ]
ROFL (4.00 / 1)
May Richard RIP!

Waking up on November 5th with no regrets.
[ Parent ]
Justices should be chosen based on qualifications (4.00 / 5)
just like Vice Presidents.

Beachcombings Jewelry
First thought about Justices and Palin (0.00 / 0)
and the words speaking in tongues as a qualification arises, see McCain Palin and the Supreme Court is scarier then the Haunted Theme Park in Litchfield.

"I'm not smart enough to run the economy."

- John McCain (r) Arizona

[ Parent ]
Obama wins (4.00 / 2)
the split screen part of the debate.
totally (0.00 / 0)
the split screen makes JM look like an idiot.

or more of one, I should say.


Paula M. DiNardo

Dover NH


[ Parent ]
where's McCain's flag pin? (0.00 / 0)


Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
[ Parent ]
CNN ticker (0.00 / 0)
Real divergence between the men and women on that one. The men liked McCain on choice, the women did not.  Harumph.  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
Prevention! Yowza! (0.00 / 0)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Take back the harumph (4.00 / 3)
High marks from both the maen and women for Obama on choice.

Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
Screw the mother (0.00 / 0)
save the fetus.

Life is precious from the moment of conception until the moment of birth.

Beachcombings Jewelry

John McCain's blind spot towards empathy for women (4.00 / 2)
is a mile wide and deep.

"health of the mother - pshaw!"

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

"Health" of the mother (4.00 / 3)
Right, because a woman's medical provider is no judge of when her health may be in danger.  If a woman's on the verge of committing suicide over carrying a pregnancy to term when she was raped--- that's not really her "health" being in jeopardy.  

Yeah, medical providers sit around all day coming up with "health" problems so that women can't get abortions at 25 weeks.  

Nice...

Waking up on November 5th with no regrets.

[ Parent ]
The "reduce unwanted pregnancies" (4.00 / 2)
discussion pegged the Approval meters.
McCain will take care of the children (0.00 / 0)
who aren't aborted- amazing- what did he do?  What have the republicans done?

Pro-life till birth.

Grumpy (0.00 / 0)
McCain's face is saying, gosh, I didn't have a "game changer".

One good thing about these debates being over is that hopefully we won't hear that term outside the sporting arena again.  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign

Choice=vouchers (4.00 / 1)
Kill the public schools if you can, John.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
The issues he wants left to the states (0.00 / 0)
and the ones he wants to federalize do not make sense to me.
[ Parent ]
Could you imagine McCain in front of a classroom? (4.00 / 3)
But he's going to get rid of all the bad teachers.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
McCain - Feds should void (4.00 / 2)
state teaching standards.

Soldiers straight to the classroom? (4.00 / 2)
Forget that pesky college stuff and certification (all of which is required by NCLB, BTW).

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Right--- I was thinking about NCLB... (0.00 / 0)
Lots of retirees were heading to the classroom, teaching new and exciting material before they were forced to leave the classrooms to take certification exams and only teach in the subjects in which they were certified.  

Waking up on November 5th with no regrets.
[ Parent ]
Vouchers! He said it! (4.00 / 1)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
I'll bet (4.00 / 2)
Joe the Plumber never had a voucher.  

Beachcombings Jewelry
[ Parent ]
The Dems stopped us from reforming HeadStart! (4.00 / 1)
We controlled the Presidency, the House, the Senate, but they were going to pout.
What is McCain talking about? (0.00 / 0)
Does Sarah Palin have an autistic child?

And how does that help autism research?

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

Does McCain know what Autism is? (0.00 / 0)
Ask me.

"I'm not smart enough to run the economy."

- John McCain (r) Arizona

[ Parent ]
McCain shouldn't laugh (4.00 / 2)
Really, he does not laugh well.  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
Another McCain interruption (4.00 / 1)
with a snide laugh added on.

It looks HORRIBLE.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

McCain shouldn't laugh (0.00 / 0)
Really, he does not laugh well.  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
It's great to be with you again, uh... (4.00 / 2)
(what is this guy's name???)
I dunno (0.00 / 0)
That One?

Beachcombings Jewelry
[ Parent ]
Stick a fork in him, (4.00 / 1)
he's done.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
"Long line of McCains" (4.00 / 3)
But don't compare me to George W. Bush, just because I think my pedigree entitles me
And that was a clean finish! (0.00 / 0)
It's about you, not me.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
Thank god. (4.00 / 4)
No more debates, for a long, long, long time!  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
AMEN! (0.00 / 0)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
[ Parent ]
fav debate comment (4.00 / 1)
"do not look into the beard"
from way back to St. A's
Scheiffer was pretty fair compared to Brokaw...
Lehrer was good, Ifill good,

Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible.
~Frank Zappa
[ Parent ]
McCain was as nervous as a long-tailed cat in a roomful of rocking chairs. n/t (4.00 / 2)


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
My mother always said (4.00 / 1)
Voting for McCain is like a box of chocolate laxatives.
You always know what you're gonna get.

Beachcombings Jewelry
Did I miss the first half hour? (0.00 / 0)
These analysts are saying McCain was great in the first half hour?

Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
What did the analysts smoked before the debate? (0.00 / 0)


"I'm not smart enough to run the economy."

- John McCain (r) Arizona

[ Parent ]
Obama got much stronger twenty or thirty minutes in. (0.00 / 0)
And then gave the best debate performance of any Presidential candidate in any debate this cycle.

--
Don't believe the pollsters--this part is just warm-up.  Game Day is November 4th, so get out and vote no matter what.
[ Parent ]
Really? (0.00 / 0)
I thought he was fine, but I thought he was better in the last debte. As for the other debates, it is hard to compare to the debates where they had 8 or 9 people on stage, or even three or four, the dynamic was so different.  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
[ Parent ]
I'm basing it on what I think the impact will be on undecideds watching. (4.00 / 1)
I don't think there's been any other debate, primary or otherwise, where negative attacks were flying, where the attacked candidate gave such strong responses, and where the accused seemed to be so vindicated by it, particularly in people's responses.

My conclusion is that this was debate we were promised at Mile High Stadium.

--
Don't believe the pollsters--this part is just warm-up.  Game Day is November 4th, so get out and vote no matter what.

[ Parent ]
I only heard the second half (0.00 / 0)
on the radio on my drive home just now, and it was the best one I'd "seen." Obama kicked ass, the moderator seemed respectful, the responses were more substantive.  
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The focus group.... (4.00 / 1)
Doesn't like Joe the Plumber

Energy and persistence conquer all things.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm a strategist for the NH Coordinated Campaign
No offense to my plumber friends, (4.00 / 2)
but when most people think of what it costs when they come to your house, they are not likely to be all that sympathetic...

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
         -attributed to Albert Einstein
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I can see the headline... (4.00 / 2)
McCain Plunges

Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible.
~Frank Zappa
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CNN poll: 58-O, 31-M (4.00 / 1)
Obama raised his Favorable, lowered his unfavorable.

McCain did the reverse.

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